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From: Jon Johnson (jjohnson@space.net.au ) at 01:14:40 on 22/Jul/1999
Hi There!
I'd like to know what timbers are available in WA that would be suitable for boatbuilding (planking, framing etc)
Also would using recycled Jarrah be suitable for the above.
Thanks

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 09:35:41 on 21/Jul/1999
Hi Monica, and thanks for your second message. We will get some information together and post it to you today. About the cost of the various products - it might be best if you ring a local timber supplier. You will probably find that MDF and chipboard are priced per square metre or per sheet, while the timbers will be priced per cubic metre or per metre length. This will make a direct comparison difficult, unless you convert the MDF and chipboard to a cubic metre basis. Leave another message if you need any more info.

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From: Monica Hill (daydreamer_927@hotmail.com ) at 09:23:18 on 21/Jul/1999
Thanks for replying Sal,
I'm currently a student from Melbourne, completing year 12. I actually need this for my physics cat because l stretched those five pieces of timber to investigate which of those timbers had the largest strength. i found out that jarrah and victorain ash were the strongest.
However, l need information on it's properties to back up my results. eg Chipboard was the weakest because it is made up of waste wood glued together. My investigation is due in a weeks time and l would appreciate your help if you could sentd information on Jarrah, Victorian Ash, Cypress
Pine, MDF and chipboard. I also need the cost of those woods. An approximation is okay. I'm really sorry l do not have a fax, but this is my address

15 Keaton Way
Aspendale Gardens
Victoria, 3195

Thank you for your time.

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:23:55 on 20/Jul/1999
Gidday Monica Hill. Regarding information about jarrah, MDF, cypress pine, chipboard (particleboard) and Victorian ash, the easiest way to send you this would be by fax. We don't have all this material on the Net. If you don't have a fax, we could post some brochures which would give you plenty of info. Would you like to leave another message with a fax number, or a postal address? If you do leave another message, perhaps you could tell us exactly what kind of information you need, and then we will make sure we send you the right material. Regarding a path to connect two tree houses, MDF and particleboard are not suitable for long-term outdoor use. Out of the three timbers, only cypress pine and jarrah have the necessary 'durability' (resistance to wood rot). Either one would be OK, or a combination of the two. For example, you could use jarrah for the supporting timber and then attach cypress pine decking to walk on.

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:15:16 on 20/Jul/1999
Hello Alex. You were asking for information about light red meranti and tallowwood. Meranti grows in a number of South-East Asian countries, including Malaysia and Indonesia. It is a useful timber for general joinery purposes. Tallowwood is a native Australian timber which grows along the coastal ranges of New South Wales up to the Maryborough district of Queensland. Tallowwood is a very durable timber with a Class 1 rating for decay and termites. This makes it very suitable for outdoor and in-ground uses. If you would like more detailed information, leave another message with a fax number. Note also that in future if you leave an e-mail address, we can send your answer straight to you.

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From: Ramon Rodrigo (rrodrigo@eisa.net.au ) at 12:26:45 on 19/Jul/1999
Thank you for the excellent Service that you provide

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:59:02 on 19/Jul/1999
Hi to Richard Velthuis, who was looking for plans for a cubby house. If you have a look at Harry & Sal's Timber Tips on our Home Page you will find that one of the projects listed there is a Playhouse. The plans are pretty comprehensive and should give you all the info you need. Note that if you build it strictly according to the plans, the opening at the front will only be 600 mm high. However, this can easily be increased by making the uprights longer. If you need any help with this, feel free to leave another message.

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From: Monica Hill (daydreamer_927@hotmail.com ) at 21:32:58 on 18/Jul/1999
Hi, l'm a student and l desperately need information on Jarrah, MDF, Cypress Pine, Chipboard and Victorian ash. Also from those 5 pieces of wood, which timber would be best for use as a path connecting two tree houses considering price and the strength to withstand stress.

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From: alex ( ) at 10:23:04 on 17/Jul/1999
can you tell me some infomation about light red meranti and tallowwood

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From: Richard Velthuis (velthuis.richard@bhp.com.au ) at 09:41:03 on 17/Jul/1999
I'm after some plans for a Cubby house and if you have some please forward them to me.

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 10:31:01 on 15/Jul/1999
Hello Max Larry Lee, and welcome to Timber Talk. Regarding importers of hardwood in the Northern Territory, we suggest you contact Bunnings (Northern Territory) Pty. Ltd. To phone from outside Australia, the number is + 8 8981 9655, fax +8 8981 9168. They really only use one type of hardwood in any quantity, and that is selangan batu. Most of their other hardwood requirements are sourced from within Australia. Another importer you could contact is Independent Building Products Ltd., phone +8 8922 4411. They handle a wider range of South-East Asian timbers. Hope this is some help.

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 10:09:35 on 15/Jul/1999
Gidday again to Hayley McAneney! We will make sure those missing copies of Timber Trek magazine are posted out to you in the near future.

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 09:58:47 on 15/Jul/1999
Hello to Ramon Rodrigo. I'm sorry, but we can't help with prices of cypress pine. There is too much variation in timber pricing and it's an area we keep out of. Your best approach is to contact some mills which are familiar with handling cypress. If you need some contacts, the Timber Research & Development Advisory Council (TRADAC) should be able to help. TRADAC has a Web site at www.tradac.org.au where you will find their phone and fax details. The ironbarks are highly durable timbers which are excellent for outdoor structures. Gatton Sawmilling Co. at Gatton in Queensland uses ironbark, since they specialise in supplying timber for boardwalks. However, TRADAC may be able to suggest other mills.

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From: Max Larry Lee (prologmn@pacific.net.sg ) at 00:15:59 on 15/Jul/1999
We wish to make contacts with Hardwoods Importers/Manufacturers
located in Northern Territory - Australia.

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From: Hayley McAneney (McAneney@bigpond.com ) at 20:27:22 on 14/Jul/1999
Hi,
I seam to have lost issue 1,3, and 6.
Could you send me those three magazines. My address is:
318-320, Loganview Rd North, Logan Reserve, 4133.
From Hayley McAneney!

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From: Ramon Rodrigo (rrodrigo@eisa.net.au ) at 15:11:16 on 14/Jul/1999
Is there any information available about the average price paid by mills for cypress.
What are the ways in which Iron Bark (broad and Narrow leaves) can be sold.

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:35:17 on 14/Jul/1999
Gidday David O'Sullivan. Yes, Crow's ash is not commonly available today since it grows mainly in rainforest areas where commercial logging no longer occurs. In recent times it was marketed as parquetry, but as far as we know that has also ceased. Small quantities may come onto the market from time to time, but it is scarce, as your floor polisher says. The botanical name of the species is Flindersia australis, named after Matthew Flinders, leader of the expedition that first collected the plant. The "australis" of course refers to its being from "terra australis", the southern land. Historically it was often used for flooring, particularly dance floors, because of its hardness and its greasy nature. Can't help you with current prices, but you might be able to obtain a price from a timber merchant who deals in specialty timbers. It's possible that your local timber advisory organisation may have some more data about Crow's ash. In Queensland, it is the Timber Research & Development Advisory Council (TRADAC), 500 Brunswick Street, Fortitude Valley, phone (07) 3358 1400, fax (07) 3358 1411.

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From: david osullivan (lj.osullivan@student.qut.edu.au ) at 21:11:29 on 13/Jul/1999
Harry and Sal,
My wife and I have recently purchased and old turn
of the century cottage in Brookfield (Brisbane)
and polished the floors. The polishers said we have crows ash
and that now adays it is very expensive and very rare.
My research has found that it was logged in this area
last century/ this century. Can you give me and info
about crows ash, history, usages, current prices etc
and any other people to contact for further info.
many thanks
David

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 12:19:33 on 13/Jul/1999
Hi to Shane Sutton, and thanks for your comments about our site. Pacific maple is another name for meranti, also known as shorea, seraya, and Philippine mahogany. The name Pacific maple is generally used when the timber is turned into veneer. It comes from S-E Asian countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia. Cypress pine grows in northern New South Wales and Queensland and produces a durable timber which, for a softwood, is quite hard. There are several species of ironbark, and all are resistant to wood rot and insect attack. They are also high strength timbers. For these reasons they are often specified for bridges and other outdoor structural uses. If you need any more details, leave another message with a fax number or postal address and we will send you some data sheets.

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From: s.k.s (shane_sutton@hotmail.com ) at 18:10:21 on 12/Jul/1999
i like your site, very informative. c/o an assignment i am after location, uses and general characteristics of pacific maple ,cypress pine and ironbark . any info much appreciated,thanks s.k.s.

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 09:17:21 on 12/Jul/1999
Gidday Hayley McAneney!. That's a hard question to answer Hayley ~ the reference book "Forest Trees of Australia" lists 357 different types of eucalypt alone! Of course, some are not suitable for producing timber, either because they don't grow straight and tall, or because the wood they produce is not very useful. However, there are too many types of timber to name them all here. If you have a project to do, would you like to pick a couple to talk about? If you need some more info, please leave another message, or you may be able to find what you need in one of the fact sheets on our Home Page.

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From: Hayley McAneney (McAneney@bigpond.com ) at 21:09:08 on 09/Jul/1999
Gidday Harry & Sal,
would you be able to tell me all the tipes of timber in Australia.
from Hayley

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 12:05:20 on 09/Jul/1999
Gidday Ramon Rodrigo who was asking about the possibility of using extractives from cypress pine to treat other woods. This approach has been investigated in two ways. One was to produce a durable particleboard by mixing cypress pine chips with radiata pine chips. The results of this project are contained in a report available from the Forest & Wood Products R & D Corporation, price $25. The other approach was to actually extract the compounds which give cypress heartwood its durability and then impregnate them back into the sapwood. We are not sure of the status of this project, which was being conducted by Queensland Dept. of Primary Industries. Again, you could obtain details from the Forest & Wood Products R & D Corporation, phone (03) 9614 7544, or fax (03) 9614 6822. P.S. We weren't able to get through to the e-mail address you left, so hope you see your answer here!

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:38:35 on 09/Jul/1999
Hi to Peter Sudo. I'm afraid we don't know of a pine tree growers' register, but we suggest you contact a forestry consultant in the area. Bob Newman of R.L. Newman & Partners has been active in Australian forestry for many years and may have heard of Percheron. R.L. Newman's contact details are phone (02) 6282 5256, or fax (02) 6282 5259. There is also an organisation called Australian Forest Growers which might be able to help. Phone Lyn Day on (02) 6285 3833.

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From: Ramon Rodrigo (rrodrigo@eisa.com ) at 10:28:25 on 09/Jul/1999
Is there some method of dissolving cypress resin, with the intention of making a product for treating other woods naturally

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From: Ramon Rodrigo ( ) at 10:26:47 on 09/Jul/1999
Is there some method of dissolving cypress resin, with the intention of making a product for treating other woods naturally

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From: Peter Sudo (peter.sudo@regency.tafe.sa.edu.au ) at 09:08:19 on 09/Jul/1999
Hello, I am trying to find out some information about the
pine tree growers register. My family puchased trees some
years ago. It was with Percheron Acceptance corporation
and we have lost contact, I was wondering if you might be
able to give me details on how I could get in contacts with
the necessary people. The plantation is situated on the
southern tablelands of New South Wales, approx. 15 miles
from Braidwood off the Braidwood-Nowra road.

Thankyou

Peter Sudo

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From: Kim (kim@dhost.com ) at 11:34:29 on 08/Jul/1999
Hi Harry & Sal...thanks for responding about the paperbarks...Maybe I am mixing up a couple of trees (they are all so beautiful in your part of the world). Anyways, if you are able to, please send me the info sheet. My fax number at work is (416) 954-1565. I believe the country code from your end is 0011 - don't remember for sure though.
Again, very kind of you to get back to me...
kim

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From: Alan Feder (sapcdfa@cobweb.com.au ) at 11:28:33 on 08/Jul/1999
Information about black spots on timber arrived today. Many thanks, I will enjoy a good read. At first glance it looks like your discussions centred around iron and its source. I will digest the info over the weekend when I have a little more time.

Thanks once again Alan

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 10:42:58 on 08/Jul/1999
Hello Purnawidjaja Dana, and welcome to Timber Talk! Radiata pine is a very versatile timber, but does not have a high resistance to wood rot. In any situation where it is damp for long periods, it will only achieve a life of several years. However, radiata pine can be treated with timber preservatives to achieve a long life. We will send you a booklet explaining the types of preservatives used in Australia. For door frames and other joinery, a light organic solvent preservative (LOSP) would be most suitable.

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From: Purnawidjaja Dana (indoply2@cbn.net.id ) at 11:28:27 on 07/Jul/1999
Hello Harry & Sal!We would like to have an information regarding the durability of radiata pine sawn timber.
We would like to ask you about wood durability if this radiata pine were exposed to a high moisture content condition.
Since we would like to use this wood to produce out doors and door frames, could you please explain to us about wood durability againts such high moisture content exposure.
Also could you explain about rate of decay of this sawn timber if we store the wood in an open air which expose to moisture condition .

My address is : Purnawidjaja Dana
P.T.Duta rendra mulya
Kompl. perkantoran duta merlin blok. A no: 46-49
Jln. gajah mada no. 3- 5
Jakarta 10130
Indonesia

Fax no : 62-21-6337814
Phone no : 62-21-6335580

Best regards,
Purnawidjaja Dana

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 10:40:45 on 07/Jul/1999
Hi Kim. You were asking about a tree you saw in Western Australia with peeling bark. It sounds like one of the Melaleuca species which grow in various parts of Australia, including W.A. Those Melaleuca species with peeling bark are commonly known as "paperbarks", but your description of a maple leaf had us puzzled. The common species have narrow tapered leaves like a eucalypt, or smaller spiky leaves like heath. If you would like to leave another message with a fax number, we could send you an extract from a book in our library. Regarding the question of whether Melaleucas would grow in Canada, they are fairly hardy, but they might struggle a bit in the cold weather. Their natural distribution is throughout Australia and S-E Asia, ie. essentially a temperate, sub-tropical and tropical range of climatic conditions.

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 10:22:45 on 07/Jul/1999
Hi to Evan, and thanks for your query about LOSP treated radiata pine framing. LOSP formulations generally contain an insecticide for protection against termites and borers. In the case of "Protim", the insecticide is permethrin which is of low toxicity to humans but repels and poisons insects. So we can say that timber treated with LOSP to H2 or H3 level in accordance with Australian Standard 1604 is effective against termites. However, it is important to realise that treated timber cannot be heavily planed, or ripped down its length, since the preservative does not necessarily penetrate through the entire cross-section. Cut ends need to be re-sealed to maintain the preservative envelope, unless they are closely butted up to another treated surface. Also, building with treated framing protects the framing itself, but does not protect the contents of the home (cupboards, books, door frames, etc.) For these reasons, we do not encourage people to overlook termite barriers just because they have termite resistant framing. Termite barriers are cheap and easy to install - if you would like further details, leave another message.

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From: kim (kim@dhost.com ) at 08:04:47 on 06/Jul/1999
Hi...while visiting W.A. recently I noticed a tree that looks like a maple tree (leaves) but has very attractive bark that looks like it is peeling. Is this a paperbark tree? Is it a type of maple? Would it handle a North American (Canada) climate?

thanks for your help
kim

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From: Evan (evannett@hotkey.net.au ) at 21:14:34 on 05/Jul/1999
Guys, Question: how effective is LOSP treating a radiata frame to provide termite resistance?

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From: Florence Ling ( ) at 15:34:15 on 05/Jul/1999

Hi Sal

Thank you very much

My fax Number is 6088 263896

Florence Ling

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From: Florence Ling ( ) at 12:28:23 on 05/Jul/1999
Softwood Sal

Thanks so much.

Fax No. is 6088- 2638960688 263896

Thanks.

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 09:24:13 on 05/Jul/1999
It sounds like an interesting project Florence. I don't know of any potential investors, but there should be some interest in the veneers if they are of consistent quality. Australian veneer importers buy from all over the world. I would be happy to fax the names of some importers if you would like to leave your number.

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From: Florence Ling (ahthiam@jaring.my ) at 13:20:35 on 03/Jul/1999
Hi Harry

Thank you for your message.
The actual fact is as follows and appreciate very much if you could advise
us re the potential business matters.

There is a veneer factory in Papua new Guinea wish to sell or lease. However, my friends has the interest
in leasing it. Under this circumstances, he would like to study the possibilities of exporting veneer to Australia.
or joint venture with potential investor/ buyers.

What is your advice or comment ?

Thank you

Florence Ling

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 16:22:05 on 02/Jul/1999
Hi to Florence Ling, and thanks for your query about veneer importers. Soon there will be a new edition of the Australian Forest Industries Directory (for details, type the word "Directory" in the search box at the top of the Harry & Sal page). If you don't want to wait for the new Directory, we can photocopy some pages from the old one and fax them to you. Would you like to leave another message with a fax number, or send it to me by e-mail?

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From: Florence Ling (ahthiam@jaring.my ) at 13:34:08 on 02/Jul/1999
Would like to have a list of importers of veneer in Australia

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:32:50 on 02/Jul/1999
Hi to Alan Feder, and thanks for your query about black spots on Tassie oak joinery. We have had several of these cases investigated by CSIRO and they always came back with the answer that the spotting was caused by iron particles. The cases we looked at were on external woodwork, not internal, but presumably the same problem could occur on any timber surface if iron particles contaminated the surface and then moisture caused them to turn black. The question still remains "where did the iron come from?" and in the cases we have investigated this has never been answered satisfactorily. Suggestions have included: cutting or grinding metal on the building site, traces of iron on the blades of woodworking tools, and even a high iron content in the dust from local soils. Perhaps in this case you might be able to pin down some likely source of iron dust. If it would help, we can send copies of the CSIRO reports on the previous cases, referred to above.

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From: Alan Feder (sapcdfa@cobweb.com.au ) at 13:45:12 on 01/Jul/1999
I was asked today if I knew anything about "black spots" under clear finished Tassie Oak joinery in Far North Queensland. Appears that mould or something is growing under the clear which was applied over 12 months ago, 2 coats. The oak is in the form of a veneer on MDF. Have you any knowledge of what it may be?

I suggested that it could be mould as they have had a little rain lately and mould spores may have been in the veneer before coating. Depends on the colour too as it can sometimes be iron filings rusting.

Any info would be appreciated Regards Alan

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From: Barry (Miller@nlc.net.au ) at 21:24:22 on 29/Jun/1999
Nice Page

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 12:51:10 on 28/Jun/1999
Hello again to Kayla! According to our records, we already answered this question on 26th May. If you missed our answer for some reason, have a look below. For some good info on the history of the forest industry, have a look at www.nafi.com.au/history/. We can also send you some brochures to help with your investigations, but first we need a postal address!

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From: kayla (anesburk@mail.xavier.sa.edu.au ) at 12:19:42 on 28/Jun/1999
why is timber important?-historical background and it's uses and the value to human society.

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:58:32 on 23/Jun/1999
Gidday Che Murray. We can send you some good info on the manufacture of particleboard, but you will need to leave another message with a postal address or fax number. Alternatively, send your details by e-mail and we will get straight back to you.

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From: Hardwood Harry (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 11:29:57 on 23/Jun/1999
Hello John Cotton. You may not be able to obtain the birch plywood you are looking for as an off-the-shelf item, but if you are going to manufacture in Adelaide it would be a good idea to discuss it with a local distributor and see if you can arrange supply. Australian Timbers are major plywood suppliers in S.A. and you could contact Deeon Otto on (08) 8332 2666 for further information.

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From: Che Murray (wayne_murray@onaustralia.com.au ) at 11:02:52 on 23/Jun/1999
I am doing a project on the manufacture of chip board, can you please let me know were i can get some information on this subject
Thanks
Che Murray

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From: Softwood Sal (peter.llewellyn@bigpond.com ) at 10:10:23 on 22/Jun/1999
Hello to Bill Seymour who was asking about black cypress pine v. white cypress pine. The two are similar and may grow together, but under natural conditions occur more commonly in pure stands. White cypress pine is found mainly on gently undulating to rolling topography, extending to the lower slopes of the Warrumbungle and Nandewar Ranges and the hills surrounding the Gwydir Valley. It is generally absent from depressions, and on shallow stony soils in the eastern part of its range it is replaced by black cypress pine ("Forest Trees of Australia", CSIRO). Regarding the wood itself, it is white cypress which has the reputation for being highly resistant to wood rot and termite attack. However, all cypresses have a relatively high resistance to decay and termites, the variation between species being thought to relate to the relative proportions of guaiol and l-citronellic acid in each. (See the series of papers by P. Rudman, CSIRO, 1964, for more detail). Black cypress pine (Callitris endlicheri) is generally considered to be a little less durable than white cypress pine. White cypress pine has a well-established market, partly because of its reputation for durability, and partly because it is a much more commonly occurring timber than black cypress pine. For further information on likely markets, we suggest you contact the Timber Research & Development Advisory Council (TRADAC) in Queensland on (07) 3358 1400.

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